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Jul. 15th, 2005 | 09:23 pm
mood: fullfull
music: Haujobb - "Penetration"
posted by: alhyntius in moonlightwings

Well, someone's gotta get the ball rolling so let's open this up for discussion. One of our mods already mentioned horoscopes in her LJ, so we can start with that.

What are everyone's beliefs in horoscopes?
Is it real?
Is it fake?
Somewhere in between?
Does it lay out the future verbatim?
Is it more vague and open to interpretation?
Is the future implicit (cannot be changed), a guideline (can be altered), or an idea (can be changed)?
Does it give you the message and you just take it?
Or, does it spout random generalizations and you create your own message through introspection?

I once heard of a teacher who cut out a daily paper's horoscopes, but only the messages and not the date or star sign. He then passed them out to his students but gave them all the one from the previous sign instead of their own, but told them it was their proper one. He had them read them over and see what they thought. Every student said that theirs was spot on. He then gathered them up and redistributed them giving them the correct ones, but stating he's having them read other people's. All the students said it sounded nothing like them. He repeated this the next day but shifted one sign later. Same results. Finally, a month or two later he handed them two horoscopes and told them to pick the one that best sounded like them. They in fact were both the proper ones, and the same one's used from two months prior. Regardless, the students felt one sounded totally like them, and the other one was completely not them. Finally, at the end of the semester he redistributed the one's that they had rejected as being completely not them (even though it was their proper horoscopes) and told them that it was theirs from today's paper. They all agreed it was a perfect match even though they had rejected it months prior, and again months prior to that. So, whether this proves anything or not, it's food for thought.

I also have food for thought to sway the argument the other way, but it may take some digging to find so I'll leave you with that for now.

Anyway, the floor is open to discussion. Remember, whatever your own viewpoints, be sure to respect those of others as well. And converse intelligently. No, "You're stupid and you suck," comments please.

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from: lilitheraine
date: Jul. 16th, 2005 02:27 am (UTC)

Horroscopes, to me, are a generalization. They lay out a few main points and subtly tell you to keep your eyes open for anything that may seem similar said main points. They are NOT predictions, they're a mere 'brochure' of sorts...... "Hey, look for this!!"

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from: sarita_anita
date: Jul. 16th, 2005 03:27 am (UTC)

my view on horoscopes is that they aren't neccessarily true, i believe in astrology a lot but as this astrologer was talking about you can't just look at the sun sign, you also have to look at the moon sign. So when you just get a sun sign horoscope it isn't exactly true for you, it's just for people of that sign in general.

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from: alhyntius
date: Jul. 16th, 2005 04:33 am (UTC)

Written in riddles you say? I've missed my calling. I should write horoscopes. Heh.

I'll share my thoughts later.

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from: alhyntius
date: Jul. 18th, 2005 02:33 am (UTC)

Alright, my thoughts on horoscopes.

I pretty much think they're complete bunk, but not useless. And I do think there's something to astrology. Just not horoscopes.

Let me clarify ...

Astrology. The gravitational pull of the moon does affect the tides. That's physical. The phases of the moon seem to affect people. That's psychological. There's no way really the position of the stars could have a physical or really even psychological affect on people but I've seen too much to just pass it off entirely. There's something there. Granted, some may say that it's all general personality profiling and we all exibit all the traits in all the signs to a degree or another and we only focus on those that are pointed out to us, but still, I've seen too many "coincidences" to say astrology is bunk. I'm not saying it's real, but I'm not saying it's not.

Horoscopes however are bunk. Some person writes out a few sentences with general traits we all exibit and vague "prophesies" that relate to all of us. We only focus on those given to us and ignore the rest. We attribute our own meanings to what is given and end up creating self-fullfilling prophesies. However, I believe this to be incredibly useful. This provides introspection. A way for us to analyze our lives and come up with our own solutions. While the horoscopic statements may be general, it is a spark, a motivation to get the ball rolling, a framework to build upon. We take these general statements and think of how they apply to us. Then we take that and take action based upon solutions that we come up with ourselves. We don't need the stars to tell us how to live our own lives, but there are things in the metaphysical world that can help us tell ourselves how to live. We need to be mindful not to let them rule our lives, but rather live our lives and let our lives rule our horoscopes. If that makes any sense.

So, horoscopes? I think they're a bunch of malarky but I still read mine everyday, reflect upon them, and use my introspection to make myself a better person and that is anything but bunk.

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